NAPLES 10TH ANNUAL YOUTH CRUSADE 2009 AND REV WADNER GEDEON'S NEW BOOK

by **Levanjiltv** Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:39 pm

Click to watch Naples 9th Annual Youth Crusade 2009.

Wadner Gedeon just release a new book "HOPE for the NEW GENERATION" consist of 160 pages. Young Gedeon recently got married with Ms. Elizabeth Aidee and started a new church in Philadelphia. He has been preaching all around the country spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ and speaking to the mind of young people. The book focuses on hope, relationship, faith, identity and program your mind for success no mather what! This book is a must read. We will later give you more updates on the book including interview with Rev. Gedeon about the book. In the meantime you can purchase the book here on Levanjiltv for only $19.99. Click on the picture to see the cover.

by Alphonse Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:42 pm

Honestly this is the first haitian man that i know who writes a book at this young age. Wadner probably in his mid 20s? Congratulation Pastor Wadner and may the Lord bless you more.

by Bernylakay Sat Jul 25, 2009 1:39 am

How many books you know or you read that has been written by a haitian author?

by tibobdenazareth Mon Jul 27, 2009 12:52 pm

There are quite a few out there. They just don't get publicised on levanjiltv.

Rev Wadner Gedeon is placing himself as a very good positive role model for the youth. I can imagine what he had and must be going through, even now, since I KNOW the generation before him may not either take his ministry seriously because of his young age/look or see him as a danger to stir the comfortable status quo.

Keep on working for His glory, Rev Wadner. I'll do my best to support you with the means God gives me.

by tibobdenazareth Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:00 pm

By the way people, this is a very active church. Early this year or late last year I ministered there for the annual revival of the United Haitian Pastors of Naples ... GREAT STUFF!!!

Let's pray that the church committee keep putting this wonderful temple at the service of the children of God. The rewards are beyond imagination.

Jan mesyse anyen, le plus souvent, skeptic about the youth, si yo ka louvri pòt legliz yo pou konfye tout jèn sa yo ak yon lòt jèn, yo merite aplodisman ak lapriyè. We tend to always talk in length about the negatives while the positive usually goes un-noticed. Lè l bon, an n di l bon!!!

by eman Mon Jul 27, 2009 3:47 pm

I believe tibobdenazareth has a book out there...

tibob,
tell us about it!

by tibobdenazareth Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:04 am

eman wrote:I believe tibobdenazareth has a book out there...

tibob,
tell us about it!

I appreciate your input (and curiosity) brother. But this post is about our Rev Wadner who is doing a tremendous work in the community. I only informed brother Alphonse that there are a lot and a lot and a whole lot of young Haitian writers in the Gospel sector.

by eman Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:17 am

Understood, tibob!
I wanted to point out that amongst all of the authors out there, you are one of them if I am not mistaken...
I would have started a thread to speak on that but the access is not granted to me...

by His Glory! Wed Jul 29, 2009 1:15 pm

I am, first and foremost, very happy that you young people are commiting yourselves to the work of God.

HOWEVER.... I'm noticing a very common trend in the two videos that i've seen of the Naples crusade......

Why so much "hip/hop"? Be ye N-O-T conformed of the world. I'm not trying to place judgement, but would rather like to leave you all with a question.....

HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BE AN "EXAMPLE" TO THE WORLD WHEN WE'RE TAKING THEIR MUSIC INTO CHURCH AND IN TURN PROMOTING THEM? When un believers cpome to the crusade and hear these so-called "christian remixes" they are NOT gonna think of the words you just said. They are gonna think of that cd they got in their cars or houses and think that they can keep listening to it and just try to change the words as they are listening to it. Are we forgettying that the devil'ds mail tool against our generation is throufgh MUSIC? Are we not aware that "just listening to the beat' of these types of worldly music can still instill a subconscious message into or minds and souls....which was created to give God glory!

Again, to reitetrate, NOT to judge but to shed light on things you guys should be cautious about!

Love you all in the Lord!'

-Br. M'o'
Hiss Glory!

by Alphonse Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:29 pm

His Glory! wrote:I am, first and foremost, very happy that you young people are commiting yourselves to the work of God.

HOWEVER.... I'm noticing a very common trend in the two videos that i've seen of the Naples crusade......

Why so much "hip/hop"? Be ye N-O-T conformed of the world. I'm not trying to place judgement, but would rather like to leave you all with a question.....

HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BE AN "EXAMPLE" TO THE WORLD WHEN WE'RE TAKING THEIR MUSIC INTO CHURCH AND IN TURN PROMOTING THEM? When un believers cpome to the crusade and hear these so-called "christian remixes" they are NOT gonna think of the words you just said. They are gonna think of that cd they got in their cars or houses and think that they can keep listening to it and just try to change the words as they are listening to it. Are we forgettying that the devil'ds mail tool against our generation is throufgh MUSIC? Are we not aware that "just listening to the beat' of these types of worldly music can still instill a subconscious message into or minds and souls....which was created to give God glory!

Again, to reitetrate, NOT to judge but to shed light on things you guys should be cautious about!

Love you all in the Lord!'

-Br. M'o'
Hiss Glory!

His Glory. People who rap for the Lord are courageous. True soldiers. If somebody is a good rapper and is doing it for the lord, there rewards in heaven will be plenty. I want people to understand this. Anything that is good and worthy the devil wants it. Rap music is strong and is a powerful way to pull poeple minds. That's why the devil invest so much in it. Rap music itself is not bad; it's the message in it and the kind of people who use it that gives it the image that it has.

by tibobdenazareth Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:50 pm

Alphonse, we've been that road before: trying to explain why everything we do for the Lord IS GOOD no matter how "otrhers" are using them. But our words always fall on deaf ears.

If there's any plagiarism, the issue shouldn't be Rap Music or Hip Hop; it should simply be plagiarism. A problem that exists with all genres.

by eman Wed Jul 29, 2009 5:04 pm

The day someone shows me what Christian music is supposed to be, the day I will swallow my pride and concede to the lamest of points made on this subject...
I once listened to a rap song entitled 9/10 by the Cross Movement, google it if you have the chance, and I say unfacetiously that I was blessed by the message herein.
I once heard a radio program where the host was debating the very issue of Christian music; he really enlightened me in the whole non-ending discussion. Be mindful that this issue was always debated in previous centuries. The host's point was simply that Christian music can only be measured by the accuracy of the message contained in the lyrics. To put it bluntly, the lyrics need to be theologically sound. And when you consider that point, go back and revisit your Chants D'esperance and start deleting songs that we love to sing yet, theologically, they are erroneous.

by Alphonse Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:23 pm

eman wrote:The day someone shows me what Christian music is supposed to be, the day I will swallow my pride and concede to the lamest of points made on this subject...
I once listened to a rap song entitled 9/10 by the Cross Movement, google it if you have the chance, and I say unfacetiously that I was blessed by the message herein.
I once heard a radio program where the host was debating the very issue of Christian music; he really enlightened me in the whole non-ending discussion. Be mindful that this issue was always debated in previous centuries. The host's point was simply that Christian music can only be measured by the accuracy of the message contained in the lyrics. To put it bluntly, the lyrics need to be theologically sound. And when you consider that point, go back and revisit your Chants D'esperance and start deleting songs that we love to sing yet, theologically, they are erroneous.

Point Finale.

by tibobdenazareth Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:27 am

eman wrote:The day someone shows me what Christian music is supposed to be, the day I will swallow my pride and concede to the lamest of points made on this subject...
I once listened to a rap song entitled 9/10 by the Cross Movement, google it if you have the chance, and I say unfacetiously that I was blessed by the message herein.
I once heard a radio program where the host was debating the very issue of Christian music; he really enlightened me in the whole non-ending discussion. Be mindful that this issue was always debated in previous centuries. The host's point was simply that Christian music can only be measured by the accuracy of the message contained in the lyrics. To put it bluntly, the lyrics need to be theologically sound. And when you consider that point, go back and revisit your Chants D'esperance and start deleting songs that we love to sing yet, theologically, they are erroneous.

OU BRANCHE WI OU-MENM!!!

by &abriel Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:02 am

eman wrote:The day someone shows me what Christian music is supposed to be, the day I will swallow my pride and concede to the lamest of points made on this subject...
I once listened to a rap song entitled 9/10 by the Cross Movement, google it if you have the chance, and I say unfacetiously that I was blessed by the message herein.
I once heard a radio program where the host was debating the very issue of Christian music; he really enlightened me in the whole non-ending discussion. Be mindful that this issue was always debated in previous centuries. The host's point was simply that Christian music can only be measured by the accuracy of the message contained in the lyrics. To put it bluntly, the lyrics need to be theologically sound. And when you consider that point, go back and revisit your Chants D'esperance and start deleting songs that we love to sing yet, theologically, they are erroneous.

first of all ill start in the name and in the word of God. Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding
We must understand that the Bible is based on principles not word for word details on everything, what to do and not to do, example it doesn't say not to smoke crack or not to watch porn but when we study we can derive that and if we cross reference you will see that there are certain music we shouldn't play in the house of God or in the name of God. i will attempt to show some points please respond that you might teach me something in the word of God.
When we are playing music in the name of God we Praising or WORSHIPING. i want to concentrate on worshiping. In the Bible we are told specifically how to worship, John 4:22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what
we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. ...
Matthew 15:9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'" .. ...
Psalm 96:9 Worship the LORD in the splendor of his holiness ...
Worship the LORD in the splendor of his holiness; tremble before him, all the earth.
if you look at each of these verses they are directives which means there is a possibility to do the opposite remember the devil looks for loop wholes in the word to mislead us so if God has to tell us how to worship him then there are ways that we could be mislead. i believe that many who play "Gospel Music" have good intentions but are not prepared or guided in what they are doing. there is no spiritual or Biblical training for the musicians all they need is talent and they are hired most of the time, that i blame on the pastors and the churches.
some people might think just because you put God's name in a song it's gospel or the word of God but the bible says NO mathew 21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
point 1 Just because you are saying Jesus and reciting the Bible it even goes as far as healing and saving in his name that doesn't mean you are doing God's will.
ill stop here tell me what you think so far and then ill go into what is "Gospel Music" as far as hip-hop gospel thats a NO! NO! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMGhLjlzI58 Rap Gospel is ok there is a difference. don't just take his word look it up the makers of hip-hop i did and thats what convinced me and caused me to look into kompas. so now i leave you with the word of God
Proverbs 28:23 He who rebukes a man will afterward find more favor Than he who flatters with the tongue.
Proverbs 9:8 Do not rebuke a mocker or he will hate you; rebuke a wise man and he will love you. ...

by &abriel Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:19 am

i just listened to the rap they used these words and this is what they mean according to hip-hop i think swagger is ok but shakalaka is debatable

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=boom%20shakalaka

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=swagger

by Jn Michel Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:24 am

&abriel wrote:i just listened to the rap they used these words and this is what they mean according to hip-hop i think swagger is ok but shakalaka is debatable

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=boom%20shakalaka

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=swagger

Hey Gabriel:
Hosea 4:6
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge:

You always ready to judge what someone is doing for God without asking God Himself if he accept it or not. The big question is do you know why they do it? I'm sure you don't have this answer. Well you should find out and they are the only person who can tell you why they doing it. In the mean time the lack of knowledge is killing you.

by tibobdenazareth Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:13 am

Here we go again!!!

This debate is going nowhere. To all of those interested in Praising the Lord ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE, do as the Bible says:

Psaume 150: 3-5

3.	Louez-le au son de la trompette! Louez-le avec le luth et la harpe!

4.	Louez-le avec le tambourin et avec des danses! Louez-le avec les instruments à cordes et le chalumeau!

5.	Louez-le avec les cymbales sonores! Louez-le avec les cymbales retentissantes!

English

3 Praise him with trumpet sound; praise him with lute and harp!
4 Praise him with tambourine and dance; praise him with strings and pipe!
5 Praise him with clanging cymbals; praise him with loud clashing cymbals!

KREYOL PA NOU AN

3 Lwanj pou li ak twonpèt! Lwanj pou li ak akòdeyon ak bandjo!

4 Lwanj pou li ak tanbou! Danse pou fè lwanj li! Lwanj pou li ak gita ak vaksin!

5 Lwanj pou li ak senbal ki bay bèl son! Lwanj pou li ak senbal ki fè gwo bri!

For all those with a little bit of Holy Spirit to understand the easiest and clearest words of the Bible, when it comes to praising, God DOESN'T CARE about STYLES or GENRES of music. It's all about INSTRUMENTS... ALL KINDS OF INSTRUMENTS producing ALL KINDS OF SOUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kot sa pou moun ap diskite la a??? Lè moun pa gen Sentespri pou li labib vre....

by eman Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:16 am

&abriel,
I read what you wrote but you have failed to tell me what musical genre is to be considered as Christian...

by tibobdenazareth Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:19 am

eman wrote:&abriel,
I read what you wrote but you have failed to tell me what musical genre is to be considered as Christian...

What I long to know is which music genre DOESN'T USE the kinds of intruments the Bible commands us to Praise the Lord with in Psalm 150: 3-5.

by &abriel Thu Aug 06, 2009 8:45 am

tibobdenazareth wrote:Here we go again!!!

This debate is going nowhere. To all of those interested in Praising the Lord ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE, do as the Bible says:

Psaume 150: 3-5
3. Louez-le au son de la trompette! Louez-le avec le luth et la harpe!
4. Louez-le avec le tambourin et avec des danses! Louez-le avec les instruments à cordes et le chalumeau!
5. Louez-le avec les cymbales sonores! Louez-le avec les cymbales retentissantes!
English

3 Praise him with trumpet sound; praise him with lute and harp!
4 Praise him with tambourine and dance; praise him with strings and pipe!
5 Praise him with clanging cymbals; praise him with loud clashing cymbals!

KREYOL PA NOU AN

3 Lwanj pou li ak twonpèt! Lwanj pou li ak akòdeyon ak bandjo!

4 Lwanj pou li ak tanbou! Danse pou fè lwanj li! Lwanj pou li ak gita ak vaksin!

5 Lwanj pou li ak senbal ki bay bèl son! Lwanj pou li ak senbal ki fè gwo bri!

For all those with a little bit of Holy Spirit to understand the easiest and clearest words of the Bible, when it comes to praising, God DOESN'T CARE about STYLES or GENRES of music. It's all about INSTRUMENTS... ALL KINDS OF INSTRUMENTS producing ALL KINDS OF SOUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Kot sa pou moun ap diskite la a??? Lè moun pa gen Sentespri pou li labib vre....

with all do respect that would fall in contridiction of kane and able. remeber they both came with the same things to worship God but one didn't do it as god requested.

by &abriel Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:01 am

ready guys TRUE GOSPEL Music is from your heart not influenced by the world we have to admit that many musicians go into the studio with the intent to sound like the world and just add God's name, sorry that's wrong. Some of us come from the world and want to play the same things for God, Bible says that in his presence we would change. take the story of the son who left his home. he left as a son and returned to be a servant but the father took him as a son. there so much symbolism in that story if you look at it deeply. so if you want to do Gospel music make sure in your heart you not TRYING to sound like the world thats not what God wants for the Bible says a friend of the world is an enemy of God. your music may have the same style or genera but note for note beat for beat word for word not only is that not creative but insulting God. That like serving God with a used plate.

by tibobdenazareth Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:10 am

&abriel wrote: with all do respect that would fall in contridiction of kane and able. remeber they both came with the same things to worship God but one didn't do it as god requested.

HEIN????!!!!!????!!!!

by &abriel Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:20 am

4 Abel also brought some choice parts of the firstborn animals from his flock. The LORD approved of Abel and his offering, 5 but he didn't approve of Cain and his offering.

by tibobdenazareth Thu Aug 06, 2009 9:40 am

&abriel wrote:ready guys TRUE GOSPEL Music is from your heart not influenced by the world we have to admit that many musicians go into the studio with the intent to sound like the world and just add God's name, sorry that's wrong. Some of us come from the world and want to play the same things for God, Bible says that in his presence we would change. take the story of the son who left his home. he left as a son and returned to be a servant but the father took him as a son. there so much symbolism in that story if you look at it deeply. so if you want to do Gospel music make sure in your heart you not TRYING to sound like the world thats not what God wants for the Bible says a friend of the world is an enemy of God. your music may have the same style or genera but note for note beat for beat word for word not only is that not creative but insulting God. That like serving God with a used plate.

My brother, I see your point but it remains YOUR point, not God's point nor the Bible's point. There's nothing wrong with USING THE MUSIC OF THE WORLD to praise God. Praising God should be something we do even when we take a dump. There's no rule on what to use to worship and praise God. Everything we do or don't do, everything we are or are not, everything we use or don't use are instruments of worship and praise. That's what the Bible IS TELLING us. That's God's POINT: Praise me with EVERYTHING, not just the things that religious leaders and followers deemed "sacred", but EVERYTHING.

1 Cor 9: 20-22

20. And to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, not being myself under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

21. to them that are without law, as without law, not being without law to God, but under law to Christ, that I might gain them that are without law.

22. To the weak I became weak, that I might gain the weak: I am become all things to all men, that I may by all means save some.

If when they're playing what you call the music of the world, people of the world come to Christ, that's EXACTLY what Jesus wants from us just like Paul is prescribing in those verses above. Go to them, become AS them (key word here is AS) so in return, with the manifestation of the Holy spirit, they can come to God.

You see my brother, you don't and WILL NEVER know the motives of those playing like you said the music of the world for evangelization. And because you WILL NEVER know, since everybody's relationship with God is PERSONAL, you will NEVER be in a position to judge their intent.

All you have to do is to get rid of those off-the-shelf destructive religious dogmas you either learned from your church or from your own experience, take the Bible, go on your knees and say: Please God, help me not judge what I will NEVER know and please, instruct me as I open this book everyday so YOUR truth becomes MY truth as nonsense or illogical it appears to me.

Then pray for all of those using what you call the music of the world for God's work, so that they use it for His glory in order for them to not work in vain.

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